He met Peter, the first Pope, and the Apos­tles only some years lat­er. He says about him­self: “I know a man in Christ who four­teen years ago was caught up to the third heav­en – whether in the body or out of the body I do not know, GOD knows. – And I know that this man was caught up into Par­adise – whether in the body or out of the body I do not know, GOD knows – and he heard things that can­not be told, which man may not utter.” 2 Cor. 12,2ff This again is a tes­ti­mo­ny to our voca­tion. Paul was caught away in order to receive the teach­ing direct­ly from Heav­en.

Three times I was caught away to GOD, before the TRINITY, in roar­ing health and in wak­ing state, to be pre­cise. The first time as a child, then one time as a young man and once as a bish­op. Of course, peo­ple say that no one has ever seen GOD. Indeed, but the three Per­sons in GOD, that is a dif­fer­ence. I have seen JESUS, the Apos­tles touched Him, ate with Him, etc. And He was GOD! Just as He showed Him­self in human Flesh dur­ing His earth­ly jour­ney, in this same way He also showed Him­self Up Above to me. I can­not explain how He showed Him­self, it was sim­ply with­in me. It is obvi­ous to me that I have not seen what GOD is like, but I saw how He showed Him­self to me. That is why what I teach I have not learnt from the ground staff of the Church, but I teach what GOD infus­es into me. It is also evi­dent that there are still going to be changes, com­plete changes in the Church, because what calls itself Church today is noth­ing short of an insti­tu­tion – or if I name it as the SAVIOUR told me: “My Church has become a cesspool!”